"NAFPS"

It seems,one is only "allowed" to be there is willing to take "racial" abuse,and NOT dare to question,those doing the abuse. So,because I spoke up,and stood up,for self,and others,and "dared" to question their "God" Al/Alton/Alfonso Carroll- aka "Educated Indian"I am treated rudely,spoken to as a "stupid" badly behaving child,eh? The world goes forward,lol.

Sorry wredgranny, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
Granny, you know me very well from the powwow group. I have no idea why you hang around abusive people like the Blackwaters and insult and act so childishly of late. You were kicked out of Yeagley's group because he thought you were me, remember? And
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wredgrannyInitiate OnlinePosts: 11

Who is Al Carroll? « on: Today at 07:06:45 pm »

Who is Al Carroll?Who,exactly is "Al Carroll",where EXACTLY does he teach(if at all,as I can find no where that he does),as he list two seperate college where he teach? This is a site dedicated to uncovering "frauds" and fakes who mis use Native Spiritual teachings,and Ceremonies,it has become instead a place where Native Americans are attacked daily. Disrespected,spoken down to as if they had no rights,TOLD by Euros how their OWN ceremonies SHOULD be,told by Euros,who IS and IS NOT of the Nations,not ASKED if they are. An "it"(called possum pine or something) is allowed to repeatedly disrespect those who TELL who and what they are,while REFUSING to answer those very SAME questions. It is time the leaders of AIM, the Elders of each Nation,be alerted to these things. It is time many were set to find out EXACTLY who is Al Carroll,and his "hench men",and why they are being allowed to do these terrible things to Native Peoples. I have sent such questions far and wide,including the colleges where there are claims that he teaches. Even the using of a "name" such as educated Indian,suggest that he ALONE is such,the rest of us are "ignorant" savages,just as the Euros have always treated our Peoples. While NAFPS,began as a good idea,it has become it seems to me,just one more place of abuse to Native Peoples. If,Al Carroll,were in truth of Native decent,he would NEVER allow someone like that "moma porcupine" to be so disrespectful to Native Peoples,he would have banned her for her disgusting actions against our Peoples! I find it very upsetting,that someone who so attacks "Natives" who go to Europe and teach our ways,runs a "group" to fight "such frauds" does the very same thing himself. And then,is disrespectful,and degrading to others,almost ALWAYS Natives,why? He,and the Euros running this board truly believe they are BETTER than us,smarter,and have a "God" given right to misuse our Spiritual ways? I have been witting every one I know,sharing posts of disrespect to our Peoples by these "guided" by Al/Alton/Alfonso Carroll. It is time,Al Carroll/aka Educated Indian(as if using such a name makes you better than my Peoples)how disrespectful and UN First People a "name"(so Euro,we are named by humble family members,but of course you did NOTR know that eh?,for YOU to answer who YOU are,just as you try and force OUR Peoples to do,that such a EGO name is dead give away?)our leaders do not NEED to brag about who or what they are or accomplish,we know already and have deep pride in their humble honor. It is time my People that we were shown the simple respect of answers,or we will KNOW the truth by there being NONE!A "quote" of Al Carroll,but does he NOT charge when HE goes to Europe to teach,plugging for "his" movie"?"Please think about these important points before you take that fateful step and expend time, money, and emotional investment:1. Native people do not believe it is ethical to charge money for any ceremony or teaching. Any who charge you even a penny are not authentic. "http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199489;article=16653;title=Issues%20Affecting%20American%20Indians%20in%20Tennesseehttp://www.artforthemasses.us/castacon/viewtopic.php?t=1131&start=0http://www.accd.edu/spc/http://mytwobeadsworth.com/AlCarroll206.htmlhttp://www.americanindianprisoners.com/Pages/Al%20Carroll.htmhttp://www.asu.edu/clas/history/webpage/index.htmlhttp://www.world-foundation.nu/http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199489;article=16562;title=Issues%20Affecting%20American%20Indians%20in%20Tennesseehttp://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199489;article=24093;title=Issues%20Affecting%20American%20Indians%20in%20Tennesseehttp://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199489;article=24232;title=Issues%20Affecting%20American%20Indians%20in%20Tennesseehttp://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199489;article=22663;title=Issues%20Affecting%20American%20Indians%20in%20Tennesseehttp://www.aimovement.org/http://www.southernnewmexico.com/Articles/Southeast/Otero/BentandMescalero.htmlhttp://www.asu.edu/lib/archives/labriola.htmhttp://www.purdue.edu/http://www.asu.edu/lib/archives/Fall2000.htmI´ve been fortunate to have learned from and been trained by some very respected scholars, including Peter Iverson, Donald Parman, Robert Trennert, Donna Akers (Choctaw), Angela Cavendar-Wilson (DakotaI joined the military, the US Army. Virtually all the males in my family were veterans, of Vietnam, Korea, and both World Wars. By incredible luck, I was discharged only six days before Kuwait was invaded. My old unit, the 217th Evacuation HospitalAnother "quote"Native Name1) Naming is a serious thing with a deeply spiritual process in every Indian tradition I know of. It's not casual or done for entertainment.2) You can not just choose a name yourself. It must always be done by others and you must have earned the right to that name according to the specific traditions.3) The person giving you that name must be an Elder or other person who has been assigned that duty by long tradition.4) There is a naming ceremony which goes with being given the name in every tradition I know of.5) In many traditions, your Indian name can be taken away if you fail to live up to the obligations that name carries.6) In many traditions, your Indian name should not be revealed to others. Stereotypes.So,who would name him "educated Indian" as its meaning is disrespectful to ALL other Natives,as if saying they are all "stupid,uneducated" but him. I know MY grandparents would NEVER give such a EGO driven name,nor allow us to "choose" such a name,rather in REAL Native community he would be jeered and made fun of,as Euro Education,is the LAST thing of imporatance in saying who or what one is. I am NOT saying education is unimportant,it is VERY important,especially for our young,but it would NOT be used to BOAST,or make others feel less than,by making it a name.Like being Elder,warrior,or Healer,it is something one DOES,not something one begs attention for,to make self SEEM more important than others. We,are an ancient,loving,giving Peoples,it has always been more important to HELP others,than make sure SELF is seen as important. We,care about our Mother Earth,our Skies(air),our Waters,our animal kin,our Elders,our children,we HONOR Creator THROUGH our Ceremonies,dance,song,prayers. We,reach outr to make other feel better,to give them hope,to share the stories that many through the bad times lost,and we KNOW,there are those of mixed bloods,whose families ran,hid,and tried hard to live as the others for their CHILDRENS lives. When,and where we can,we reach out to them,help- them find their kin/connections,and yet we also watch that Ceremony,tradition,and family are kept safe from those who wish only to make money,steal the names/heritage of our Nations to do so,and it is as it should be. But,we do NOT disrespect,and mistreat each other,no matter what Nation,and until it is proven that one making claims is NOT of that Nation,(even Chad Smith admitted there were Tsalagi cousins who could NEVER be enrolled as their ancest5ors REFUSED to be listed like a pedigree animal on the "Rolls" for fear they could be tracked in this way and killed) but they are STILL blood kin. The "Rolls" were set up to define "Blood Quantum" in one more effort at genocide,as they knew(the whites) each generation would hold less and less quantum,until the "government" could declare there was no such thing as a REAL Blood Indian,unless we inter married,and that too held not only dangers,but was forbidden. So, WHO is Al Carroll,and what is his place in all this,he has repeatedly allowed his Euros to DEMAND we "prove" who and what we are,it is time HE,and they do the same. Or,stop disrespecting REAL First Peoples,and allow us to define ourselves WITHOUT their (tender) mercies they have shown us,like their ancestors,they feel their "Manifest Destiny" gives them the RIGHT,we,are finding our OWN voice again,we have proved we can unite ALL Nations to defend ourselves,FIGHT on my kin,I am so very proud to have lived long enough to see these days. For my grandchildren,and for you own,we CAN do this!
many blessings granny

we "cry" freedom,when in truth we beg for chains